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#42 kirjoitettu 24.08.2008 21:06

Sunt1o kirjoitti:
Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen call that 'ontic dumping'. You just take all the concepts you need to make up an item and decide to sum it all up and give it a name ...'fork'. It's practical. Nevertheless, the fork exists whether it has a name or not. It's just easier to talk about it this way.


I agree...

Though regarding the fork, it only exists as a fork when we give it that name, otherwise it exists as a manifest or potential form or shape.

In German its called a Gabel, does that then mean that it is a Gabel and not a fork? What I am trying to express is the idea that it does not exist as a fork, a Gabel, or a haarukka until it is giving that name, prior to this it simply exists as the shape that it is without a name. Maybe this is a better way to put it...until we make the word fork there is no fork in manifestation, only the potential for such a name exists.

#43 kirjoitettu 01.09.2008 22:16

Sunt1o kirjoitti:
JozenBo kirjoitti:
I agree...

Though regarding the fork, it only exists as a fork when we give it that name, otherwise it exists as a manifest or potential form or shape.

In German its called a Gabel, does that then mean that it is a Gabel and not a fork? What I am trying to express is the idea that it does not exist as a fork, a Gabel, or a haarukka until it is giving that name, prior to this it simply exists as the shape that it is without a name. Maybe this is a better way to put it...until we make the word fork there is no fork in manifestation, only the potential for such a name exists.



Well... yea. In a way I guess. But I bet the fork doesn't have any idea of all this.

But then again, even if we don't just sum the concept into a single word, the concept still exists. And the actual physical fork of course, too. The names are only shortcuts on the desktop in a way.

This post didn't really bring anything new into this conversation, but I just like to repeat myself over and over again, because I feel I get misunderstood often enough in ways I didn't see coming.

BTW, this was my first day of school and I am going to buy myself some new pencils!! Awesome!



I wish your studies all the success! I'd say more, but I am exhausted and want to visit the dream world, sleepy as I am.

#44 kirjoitettu 22.10.2008 17:34

whataab?

#45 kirjoitettu 12.11.2008 11:38

Solid_ kirjoitti:
I haven't got this yet, but why finnish ppl have to argue "by force" here in english? Speak on my son..speak on..


Besides fun, there's the matter of people from outside Finland.
For example Jozenbo here can't really join us in the Finnish forums, at least not yet.
So if we want them to be able to talk to someone outside their group of 2-5 (?) people we kinda have to keep some English banter going on.

#46 kirjoitettu 18.11.2008 21:26

Solid_ kirjoitti:
Zitru kirjoitti:
Solid_ kirjoitti:
I haven't got this yet, but why finnish ppl have to argue "by force" here in english? Speak on my son..speak on..


Besides fun, there's the matter of people from outside Finland.
For example Jozenbo here can't really join us in the Finnish forums, at least not yet.
So if we want them to be able to talk to someone outside their group of 2-5 (?) people we kinda have to keep some English banter going on.


Oh, I just checked out fast, that everyone in here are finnish and Jozenbo has messages in finnish lol, but I checked out again and noticed that all messages are "thank you" and "thank you becoming a fan" in finnish lol.

Solid_ muokkasi viestiä 12:07 12.11.2008



I am sorry I've been away for some time, I've been so busy with this new job and...a lot! My thoughts have not left this site, I've been meaning to get back.

Being so busy has slowed me down with the language project I began, though I had enough to begin experimentation with, and found out many things. For beginners, the words DO actually stick in the mind, after 3 days I could recall several of them without even trying to learn them...passive learning is interesting.

I also discovered that unless the words are the same size, the larger words grab the eyes first, making it harder to learn what was written smaller. To get around this, I began simply printing the text out, and now will be pasting it to the second map, this way all the text is the same size and I can make these maps much quicker.

I also learned that word to word may help to learn the words, but what to do with them...the grammatic rules...I was lost. So, in order to get around this, I have been putting together grammatic text sentences, and can now fit around roughly 5,000 words on a single map. This means more work getting the map ready, but once it is, it is free for the world to take!!! I am not in it for the money.

One of the primary reasons behind me choosing to learn Finnish first is the music I found on this site! This is an incredible site, much of the music is like medicine for me, soothing my mind in one way or another.


I know I've used a lot of thank yous, can't say more at this time...yet. I stopped using the previous map because I figured out the flaws and hopefully the next map will be better! Then I CAN join in the Finnish Forums, which I look forward to doing! I will have to be patient with myself, even if others are not patient with me...it takes a baby a long time to grasp a language after all.

#47 kirjoitettu 20.11.2008 16:07

Sunt1o kirjoitti:

Hmm... is the word 'gallup' really unknown to english-speakers? I didn't even think about that.

Seems like google finds mostly finnish pages with the word 'gallup'... even tho the gallup organisation is from the us if i'm not wrong.


It is not adviced to use that word in English just like we use it. In finnish original invertors trademark "Gallup" has turned into a common word. Something like finnish words "Singeri" or "Heteka". In english that is not the case. Gallup is a poll mady by George Gallup's company.

#48 kirjoitettu 07.04.2010 22:09

Well, music is one way to express your opinions.

Philosophism, Religion and different types of beleiefs are opinions. Sometimes they are taken to the extreme and aren't really made in the good sense anymore. I usually take this stuff as a joke, but deep philosophic lyrics which use alot of metaphors are really good and shows the intelligence of the band.

#49 kirjoitettu 07.04.2010 23:08

Slakkeri kirjoitti:
deep philosophic lyrics which use alot of metaphors are really good and shows the intelligence of the band.

It's easy to go wrong with intentional symbolism, though.

#50 kirjoitettu 08.04.2010 21:07

Ambrosia kirjoitti:
Slakkeri kirjoitti:
deep philosophic lyrics which use alot of metaphors are really good and shows the intelligence of the band.

It's easy to go wrong with intentional symbolism, though.


Yeah, maybe. But I still do like reading these lyrics and try to form a structure around them. One good example is Gojira, which's lyrics are either really symbolic or metaphoric. Don't know which one But oh well.

#51 kirjoitettu 10.04.2010 16:11

Slakkeri kirjoitti:
Yeah, maybe. But I still do like reading these lyrics and try to form a structure around them. One good example is Gojira, which's lyrics are either really symbolic or metaphoric. Don't know which one But oh well.

Well yeah, I think you're right; it's good to leave room for interpreting, too. I guess I confused metaphors with symbolism here. I find the latter one quite hard to come up with properly. But maybe it's just me.